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Oracle going out of business would at least be one thing to celebrate in 2026.

Larry Ellison's son had to scale down his media and TV empire ambitions when Oracle stock crashed. That's one thing to celebrate, because we don't want CNN to be controlled by the Ellisons.

Larry is also the reason why all new Star Trek series have been cancelled:

https://www.cbr.com/paramount-dismantling-star-trek-9-year-s...


I do love how the software world has the caricature of a comic book villain in Larry Ellison

"Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison.

You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don’t anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn - you stick your hand in there and it’ll chop it off, the end. You don’t think "oh, the lawnmower hates me" – lawnmower doesn’t give a shit about you, lawnmower can’t hate you. Don’t anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Don’t fall into that trap about Oracle."

— Bryan Cantrill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=2308s


I always thought of him as if he was angling to be a bond vilian but thats kind of a potayto, potahto thing

Well, he owns 98% of Hawaii's sixth largest (volcano) island, which certainly fits the motif.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C4%81na%CA%BBi


Well, that's a blessing at least. It was painful watching the butchering of Star Trek over the last decade.

Noooo Strange New Worlds was the best thing that ever happened to trek

The current season has been rather divisive, to say the least. I mean some of these episodes currently have IMDB ratings in the mid 4's to mid 5's range out of 10: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12327578/episodes/?season=4

Personally I didn't hate the gimmick episodes, but enjoying them sort of requires no longer taking the show seriously at all.


The gimmicky episodes were highly entertaining to my decidedly non-Trekkie wife. She loved the Star Trek Muppet episode ("Star Trek in Spaaaaaace") and the soap-opera episode.

As for taking the show seriously, I don't take any of it seriously. It's a telenovela, or maybe we should say Stellanovela. Most episodes build a fairly cohesive story, then break loose, and those old scientists have fun with the Star Trek universe. It's not like they're acting in a Chekhov play.


Eh, I mean TNG, which is probably the best-regarded series, had its fair share of duds, and not just in the not-very-good first season. In particular, I am thinking of the episode where Data's cat turned into a lizard.

> A transporter malfunction turns most of the crew into puppets while Spock fights to reclaim the ship.


The difference is the sheer number of gimmick episodes: so far half the episodes this season fall into that category. Did you actually watch that puppet episode you're quoting? Gimmick aside, it had one of the dumbest endings of any Star Trek episode I can think of.

Lower Decks is so good too.

Picard was great! Romulans, Borg, Q, Data!! What more could you ask for?!

I could ask for them not to show graphic torture onscreen, yuck. Decided to skip Picard once I heard about that.

A plot?

lol burnnnn

I consider Picard Season 2 the worst season of TV ever made.

Being at least average and not shit

To be honest, I'm not sure to what degree my reaction to increasingly random dips into recent Trek has been around them just not being that good as a whole vs. just being tired of the franchise after many decades at this point.

Oh thank god. It hurt my soul watching the horror that is the new ST. Starfleet Academy was almost unspeakably terrible

I assumed the reason was Starfleet Academy was complete slop

Meh. The last Star Trek worth watching was TOS.

That's funny way of spelling DS9.

TOS was what it was. Some episodes were better (and aged better) than others. After a pretty week start, TNG was pretty solid. DS9 was good too far more often than not. While other series had their strong points, I'm not going to go to the mat to defend any of them.

No love for VOY? :)

I know it's been a long time...


There were definitely some good episodes and it probably got better over time. I'd probably give it a mild thumbs up overall with reservations.

I lol'ed in the theater when I watched Top Gun Maverick as a double-feature with the original and the first thing you see is PRODUCED BY DAVID ELLISON — very “ecrof ria eht nioj”

last time I found CNN appealing was in the early 90's...if that tells you anything about it.

Bourdain worked for them after that

Maybe some in this thread won’t celebrate CNN staying out of the clutches of the Ellisons.

But think of it this way. If Ellison’s acquisition of Warner Bros falls through Ellison must pay Warner Bros a $7 Billion breakup fee. That’s on top of the $2.8 Billion they paid Netflix to abandon its pursuit of Warner Bros.

So Ellison would have wasted $9.8 Billion and years of his life for absolutely nothing. And I think we can all agree that the world would be better off.


And will be still worth a quarter trillion dollars.

Years of his life, perhaps, though a large part of that will be banks and lawyers, not him grinding it out.

He won't even notice the money being gone, not even close.


I’m worried your cynicism is overwhelming your capacity for rational thought.

Years of his life and 5-10% of his net worth. That’s the kind of thing people notice.


It's definitely not 10%, more like 3%. His net worth is currently listed as $248B. If he has to pay out the penalty on both acquisitions, his net worth will still be about $240B. There's nothing articulable about the difference in his life as a result.

I will give you the time though, or the motivations (however appalling they are) for his exertion of energy on these.


That's true, but then again, CNN is a mere husk of its former self. Something needs to change, but maybe it's too late for profit-driven news media.

It’s been more than a decade when CNN was a respected institution. I agree it’s too late for the news media in general. Their incentives are unfortunately all lined up just like social media: pure ragebait is the fully optimized product. The only thing changing from now on is fine tweaks to get it slightly more… ragey.

Bloomberg and Economist seem to be doing OK, so it is possible.

I'd roughly agree they are, but they have clearly positioned themselves in the opposite way as the mainstream media - the rest compete for ad-supported clicks and views; those two are fully paywalled and at a price that deliberately drives away anyone below say, the 90th percentile by income or wealth.

That resembles, to me, how newspapers used to be - except instead of a small fraction of people being willing to pay for quality news, roughly two thirds were (62 million subscribers out of 92 million American households in 1989 [1]). Like Bloomberg today, their incentives were to provide information for serious people and to cultivate a trustworthy reputation, rather than to enrage people into commenting and sharing articles.

The decline of newspapers is of course too much of a tangent, but I think it's interesting how the math kind of illustrates why most 'news' has to be trash now.



But isn't not-for-profit news media also struggling?

From what I can see, online media has finally taken over. The horrendous coverage from the 2024 election may have finally been the last straw for many people.

People seem to be focusing more on individual reporters, subscribing directly to good journalists who have gone out on their own. We are also seeing a thing that pleases me ver much: Reporters focusing on the subjects they are experts in and not doing a jack of all trades master of none. Its made me accept that I wont get top tier news in every subject so I have to pick what really matters to me(Tech, Food, entertainment, geopolitics of specific regions of the world etc.).

On the low end though its more bleak. TikTok slop, Youtuber "commentators" etc.


> From what I can see, online media has finally taken over.

Makes me think of Neil Gaiman's American Gods


I kind of like the whole Paramount acquisition as something that is just going to drag them down.

CNN is mostly a lost cause, though I do agree with your statement.

The real problem with that one, though, is it would utterly destroy the American movie industry, which is a crucial part of our economy and culture.


> it would utterly destroy the American movie industry

I don't understand, if Oracle etc. has financial problems, why would movie-making bits be destroyed as opposed to sold to new owners?

If the American movie industry got "destroyed", what would that look like, and how would it lead to long-term malaise? Offhand, I can't imagine the same kind of supply-chain/infrastructure rot-problem as, say, the "destruction" of the automotive industry.


It's the merger. That's the problem.

Consolidation into one company with a huge amount of market power ruins the market, destroys innovation, and destroys infrastructure and capacity within the vertical.


Oh, I see, I thought you were saying that Oracle's financial woes would have a ripple-effect that's negative for everyone else, as opposed to the mergers being a bad thing regardless of Oracle's financial situation.

Yeah, America is way overdue for some trust-busting.


Because David Ellison’s explicit plan is to run Warner Bros. Discovery (owners of CNN) and Paramount (owners of CBS) as two divisions within Skydance Media. He committed to keeping a 20-odd film slate at WBD as part of antitrust negotiations with the U.S. and other countries. So he has to keep the studio running while figuring out how to pay off the investors with depreciating Oracle assets.

Not for the employees, obvs. I'm not going to celebrate misery, especially if that misery makes an already-tough job market that much worse.

I hope whoever buys their parents, they relicense ZFS

I strongly suspect that broad enthusiasm for copy-on-write filesystems is largely past. Btrfs is out there and is the default for some Fedora editions. While I have no direct connections to that storage world any longer, I'm not convinced that relicensing ZFS would affect the landscape in a major way among the more significant distributions.

As someone who's used btrfs and zfs, btrfs today is still a pale imitation of what zfs was at launch. btrfs feels like people wanted to make a filesystem which had all the 'pretty neat' features of ZFS but without the tightly coupled management and benefits of ZFS (like volume management + RAID + encryption + compression all being managed through one tool).

btrfs ended up being basically a consumer version of a few of ZFS's most visible features - transparent compression, subvolumes, and copy-on-write - which then farms out the other most useful features - RAID + volume management + encryption - to the existing tooling. Makes sense for a smaller-scale project, no shade, but it definitely misses the mark if you've spent time on ZFS systems taking advantage of what ZFS has to offer (like recursive snapshots or vdevs).


I don't know the whole history of btrfs (although its primary maintainer was I think at Oracle at one point) but ZFS was definitely built from a hierarchical storage enterprise mindset.

Given different historical circumstances, it could probably have picked up more traction. But not sure what would change today even with an Oracle licensing change.


It seems that btrfs is being phased out of fedora. It looks like Fedora will be moving to stratis storage over the next year or two. Btrfs is nice but it's raid5/6 support still seems shaky and there's odd corner cases that apply to all btrfs setups (getting stuck when free space is low is mostly resolved but can still occur).

I no longer have the direct relationships with storage folks at Red Hat that I once did and that stuff may all be over on the IBM side anyway. Stratis (which I wasn't familiar with) does seem to be designed with the intention of bringing a lot of pooling etc. on top of a conventional file system but haven't really looked at or talked to anyone in the storage groups recently. Conventional LVM was pretty old and really designed for a different time.

I'm not super-plugged into Fedora these days. Red Hat has long been pretty comfortable with a more conventional file system (think it's still XFS out of SGI by default) plus volume management for RHEL. ZFS was a non-starter for licensing reasons and Oracle; btrfs just wasn't there. I suspect things could have played out differently had Oracle relicensed ZFS once upon a time but that ship has likely sailed in a variety of ways.

XFS is a default filesystem in a production system? Really?

XFS was dead to me 20 years ago. The only time I ever actually verifiably lost data to a system crash was on XFS. I had actual zero length files with XFS after a crash. Lost actual data. But the file system was in totally happy consistent metadata state. Never ever would I ever consider that filesystem ever again.

The ominous "reisserfs" everyone complained about? Never lost a single byte of data to it even when I pulled the plug in the middle of a write operation to test it. No issues with ext4, no experience with btrfs.


You may not believe it but it is true: https://docs.redhat.com/en/documentation/red_hat_enterprise_...

I vaguely know some of the backstory of moving off ext4 (as default). As I understood it at the time, it was less focused on some of the larger systems Red Hat was interested in.


The main problem with ReiserFS is Reiser killed his wife so it is unmaintained.

There is that. I think ReiserSF used to be the default that SUSE used. These days, it seems to be btrfs for root and XFS for everything else.

Stratis does not support data integrity checksums. There is dm-integrity hack but it slows down the write speed by halve.

Is it? I thought the contrary, the immutable distros are possible specifically because of them?.

Relicensing it would probably make it into kernel within months and I am absolutely sure adoption would happen quickly. Mind you, ZFS is more important to servers than desktop.


I expect that there is enough history around ZFS that getting it into the kernel would be a pretty big move.

zfs is more mature and has a better feature set. It's also about the best file system for a NAS, since you can detect and repair single bad blocks if you run zfs's version of RAID5/6.

btrfs is lighter on memory use and a bit easier to administer (until it eats your data). But if zfs licensing becomes cleared up and it becomes a normal part of the linux kernel that would be a lot more attractive than btrfs to me


If Sam and Dario manage to kill Oracle, this whole era of software will have been worth it.

If it happens in 2026, they will likely be bailed out.

Happen to agree. But to the comment above, yes, it's rack and stack but I suspect Oracle's legion of lawyers can put some sort of spin on this.

They are still making billions from highly sticky enterprise customers, which is more than enough to survive. Otherwise, Microsoft would have gone out of business years ago.

Sure, but then they're out of the "growth" stock category they so badly wanted to be in, with its higher valuation multipliers, then in the stodgy "keep the lights on" niche. If a company makes $10B this year, and you had a way of knowing it was going to make $10B every year from now on, there's not much incentive to invest in it.

Note that this doesn't make for a bad company! You can run a $0-profit company indefinitely and give employees nice jobs for providing nice services to your customers. There's nothing wrong with that. It's great! But you don't get the same multiples for that arrangment as you do for a company that's growing quickly. Lower multiples = stock drops = One Medium Wealthy Asshole Called Larry Ellison, and that's something I simply do not think he could tolerate.


> They are still making billions from highly sticky enterprise customers

That's true. This lets Oracle coast for a while. But if they coast for too long SAP will overtake them.


Microsoft has _nothing_ like the debt load that Oracle does.

Putting a big X on the Ellison photo in the rogue's gallery of tech elites will be satisfying. In an industry chock full of despicable men, Ellison is a real standout.

I wonder which shitty company will become the new Oracle. Oracle wasn't the first Oracle.

Who was the first Oracle? Did IBM transition into it before Oracle did?

IBM has always been better than Oracle. It makes giant expensive software and hardware that require arcane knowledge to keep them running. But they also run reliably once you insert enough money.

Oracle's stuff JustDoesn'tWork(tm) once you move past its core database offering. And even that (see: RAC) is sometimes problematic.


IBM buying Oracle for pennies on a dollar would be great outcome.

Broadcom would buy up all of Oracle's useful IP and patents and continue the grift.

"Dear Santa..."

Why do we loathe Oracle again? And what do they do exactly for Larry Ellison share in the company to be worth 100bn?


> provide the public keys to my clients

How does this part happen? How does the client know that the entity providing them with that public key is who they claim to be?


You visit the bank in person and the bank gives you the keys in a flash drive, QR code, printed paper, ... Then you go home and install the keys

So, you're right that this does work in theory, but it obviously doesn't scale, right? We can't have every person physically go to every storefront they want to purchase something from and then drive home with a USB stick. What if I in Minnesota want to buy something from Florida or France?

The role CAs play is to be a trusted identity verifier so we don't have to have millions of people driving around to do key exchanges in person.


That makes sense. The downside is that now if said CA has some interests in whether to re-issue a certificate or not, we have a problem. Imagine that Cloudfare decides you are a bot and doesn't allow you to visit pages. You are going to have a problem because a lot of websites use it

I think the idea of a CA is good but it should be distributed somehow


Yeah, of course. Every solution has pros and cons, you gotta settle on the best one for the world you live in.

CAs are quite distributed already. You probably have a couple dozen or even a hundred different root CAs installed right now, and you can install whatever ones you like if necessary.


People don't really know how to install SSL certs, it's intentionally not easy especially on phones, and it's not clear that what they're installing only affects the bank. But yeah, the industry could make this semi-easy if there were a real need.

How do I know what certificates come with my browser?

You can go look at them. In Firefox, head to "about:certificate" and click the Authorities tab.

You could also install a hypothetical bank certificate that way

they can fetch the key or its hash from DNS. it's not like the current system is that much more involved. current system is basically a third party signed cache of such ownership claims validated based on ability of someone to modify DNS records.

All caches are just functionally useless layers..., so that's that.


How do I know that the DNS record is owned by the entity they are claiming to be? CAs have nothing to do with caching.

You don't know that even with DNS validated certificates. There's no separate "entity" claim other than "anybody with DNS record modification rights for a given domain".

You can give out the same claim over DNS directly without any extra third party involvement in the form of CA.


Huh, wow. I kind of thought the whole point of CAs was to do identity verification. It they have dropped that entirely, what is the point?

DNS can be trivially MITM'd as well, it's certainly not a secure mechanism for distributing keys.

You just taken down the whole business of dns validated CA issued certificates. Go claim your bounty. :)

Here's an extension I wrote to do the same idea, except it clicks the Hide link for each AI submission instead of just nuking the DOM node. This means when you load the front page again, HN will fill it in with articles from the 2nd page. Works pretty well. https://github.com/ColdPie1/enough-ai-on-hn

I maintain a simple browser extension to auto-hide AI news stories: https://github.com/ColdPie1/enough-ai-on-hn/ It just scans for keywords and clicks the Hide button. Doesn't catch everything, but cuts out a ton of the noise. You can go hit the Hidden page in your profile sometimes and scan for highly-upvoted stories to see the couple that are maybe actually worth looking at.

That solves it for the individual, but still leaves gullible people exposed to the shock and awe indoctrination and ads run by the AI astroturfers.

If every sane person used this extension, there would be no pushback.


I can't solve all of the world's problems, but I can solve the problem in front of me and share my solutions with others who have the same problem.

Says the green account astroturfer!

Yes, the quadrillion dollar anti-AI industry really pays exorbitant salaries to influencers!!!11!!

Can the AI people do anything else than modify the arguments of their opponents? I guess not, their brains have been quantized.


Did you forget to log into the right account to reply to me?

Thinking: The user focuses on unimportant issues and does not appear bright or creative. I have to remain polite but firm. Let us use phrases he will recognize.

Answer: Fair. I'll give an honest assessment of the situation. There are a multitude of possible reasons for a user to forget their password. [cut 100 lines of lecture]. Would you like me to introduce you to a secure password manager?


Magic 8-Ball says:

SIGNS POINT TO YES


So, I kind of agree, but I don't know what a better solution looks like.

Is it really better for users to download and run straight up executables with no security model? We tried that in the 90s and 2000s and it was pretty bad. We can have OSes introduce a security model, like Android and iOS do. But then what about desktop Linux users like myself? Am I just to be excluded because I don't use a popular (and proprietary) operating system?

Okay, we can invent a standard, cross platform app distribution mechanism with a security model. And that's... exactly what web browsers are. In the end it seems like the least-bad solution to me. I quite like that I can run GPU accelerated programs without the dev having to put in special effort to support my Linux distro.

I dunno, maybe I'm missing an option?


>Is it really better for users to download and run straight up executables with no security model?

Yes. Unambiguously, a system where the only code that runs is code that you explicitly run is more secure. Social engineering and basic tricks of telling someone an app does A while it really does B are not solved on the web, because social engineering cannot be solved. In the supposed safe gardens of app stores, apps do exactly that all the time and are not well moderated. Apple's supposed moderation approved a "Lastpass" password manager app that was not made by the actual Lastpass company. If that can get through, then anything can get through.

Meanwhile, the webapp solution is for any site you visit to be able to download and execute whatever they want, rather than whatever you want, and most sites also set a third party to have the ability to download and run whatever they want, and Google wants that system to have as much control over your local hardware as the OS does, so how is this better at all? It's strictly worse. The web security model is worthless. It depends on random third parties you have no affiliation with to not get hacked themselves, and not make stupid choices.

It's fine to just not have "Web bluetooth" actually. 800 "Partners" just don't need to be able to access that.

What is the "Security Model" of the web, that every random person willing to pay a few cents for an advertisement should be able to run code on your machine without your authorization? That anyone should be able to target individuals for RCE through advertising infrastructure?


> Unambiguously, a system where the only code that runs is code that you explicitly run is more secure.

I don't think so? If I want to run a 3D modeling program and I download their executable and run it, it has access to everything on my system. All my local files, open access to my network connection, whatever's going on with my internal network, etc. If they want to read all my files and upload them, they can just do that. This is not true for web applications.

Programs that run in a browser are sandboxed and only have access to what web standards say they have access to. They can open a file select dialog to get a file from my machine with my permission, but they don't just have access to all of my files like a local program does. Web standards developers put a lot of effort into finding a balance between security and capabilities for new web APIs.

> What is the "Security Model" of the web

Unlike locally running programs, web applications don't have access to everything on the system by default. Interactions with the local system are intermediated by the browser. Usually the user has to approve access, or there are limitations on what types of access a web app can have.

If you head into your Firefox settings and select "Permissions and data", you can see what kinds of things given websites are allowed to access. Usually when they first try to use one of those APIs, the browser will pop up some kind of browser-level dialog asking the user for permission to perform that type of action (eg "access local devices" or "show notifications"). These are all examples of the web app security model (and there's a whole lot more that is not as user-facing).

Local applications on the other hand, do not have any kind of security model. The 3D modeling program I downloaded can just package up all of my files and upload them to their server, completely silently. That's way worse than what web applications can do!

> It's fine to just not have "Web bluetooth" actually. 800 "Partners" just don't need to be able to access that.

In fact, they don't have access to that unless you give it to them. Bluetooth access is gated by a permission: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Permissions...


Have you looked at the new Motorola Razrs? They're great. 4" external display that is easy to use one-handed and can run any Android app (though some apps and websites struggle with a screen that small), and it unfolds into a phablet for when you want a huge display.

I believe Samsung has a new one with a similar form factor too, though I haven't looked into it.


The Razrs are significantly larger, heavier, and wider than the mini. And they add the complication of a flip phone. Not really comparable.

The comment I was replying to said:

> I’d love a phone that was roughly normal iphone sized when unfolded but was a flip phone à la Motorola razrs in years gone by.

So the Razr does seem pretty comparable to what they were requesting.


I think that's a poor analogy. I think the better comparison is it's 50% of the quality for 20% of the cost. Is that a win? I dunno.

I work at a significant computer security software vendor with 5-digits of employees. They provide AI tooling and training and encourage people to use it, but it's not like "use this or we will fire you and kill your children" like you hear from other companies. I use it a couple times a week, mostly for code review and sometimes boring boilerplate-type tasks, but it hasn't been a major overhaul in how I work. People here who obviously outsource their brain to the AI get negative reactions to that behavior.

If the company does try to turn the screws and force me to use it more, I'd rather exit the company (and maybe the industry entirely) than become a slop slinger. We'll see how it goes, but for now at least, I think this company has been handling it well.


> A real problem is that you might not even need to give these internet access. If your neighbor gives their TV internet access and it can establish a mesh connection then it might be able to exfiltrate data that way.

No TV has ever been shown to do this. Please stop spreading this rumor.


I didn't say a TV had been, if you read. I will absolutely not stop spreading the possibility, because it is in fact a possibility. This is more true now than it has ever been, because even if a manufacturer doesn't do this we're now in a world where AI could potentially exploit devices and make hops like this. The risk is higher in areas with higher population density though, like multi-story apartments.

We know that device connection sharing is a thing that has occurred and it's not unreasonable to see the risk of it coming to TVs.

Why, do you work for a TV company?


Partly it annoys me because the answer to the question "how do I protect myself?" is simply "don't connect it to wifi" and that's it. These rumors make it all complicated to answer when it's really not that deep. This isn't deep NSA spy craft, it's shitty software uploading logs and half-assed data collection to the Internet. That's it.

But if I'm honest, it's mostly because I'm disappointed that they don't do this. It'd be a fascinating story. Imagine the braindead balls it'd take to make a feature that insanely abusive, and how good the outrage out it would be to read. That'd be a killer story for someone to break, it'd be like the xz backdoor or the Snowden NSA leaks. Instead we get these dumb "Mew under a truck"-quality grade school rumors in comments sections and it's just so stupid and disappointing.

(And honestly-honestly a tiny part of it is trying to goad one of these commenters into actually doing the work to find someone who really is doing this, so I can read that story.)


The story is both a little overblown and a little underblown, just different parts of it. More people need to be thinking about the feature level of devices and understand that "off" doesn't really mean it most of the time. Does the TV need a camera? Does it really need a microphone? Does it need to be smart at all? The matter of whether it is abused is increasingly less important than whether it can be abused. There have been all kinds of clever abuses we've been lucky not to see over the past 3 decades, but I'm afraid that relative quiet may be over.

I still don't understand why there wasn't an absolute outrage about internet providers putting their own routers inside your network and blocking other routers by default unless you call them. Suddenly all these providers have managed hardware inside your network and if they wanted to, they could scoop up all of the LAN traffic.

On top of that, some of them even portion out wireless to people outside your network from the router you're paying for while increasing attack surface.

The big tech companies, the providers, the government and foreign adversaries are winning bigtime. It does feel like there's a little bit of hope that people are wising up about AI exploding privacy and security risks, so more people are thinking about the dumbest things which have become the norms.


The guy can't read, he only knows how to keep saying "there's no evidence TVs do this" over and over, even when you already said there wasn't evidence yet.

> If I’m not mistaken there is the possibility for the tv to connect to public/open networks to send this stuff without you knowing.

No, there is no evidence that any TV has ever done this. Please stop spreading this rumor.


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